Lots of Drama with a Diesel Shop in West Michigan.

"Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis" (Dwhite95) 04/16/2015 at 13:46 • Filed to: None

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Dieseltec is a shop in west Michigan that caters to diesel trucks whose owner posted a lengthy post on Facebook a few days ago. The owner said those who come in with guns will get discounts and those who are openly gay will be refused service. Full post after the jump.

"Enough is enough.

Our rights as conservative Americans are being squashed more and more everyday. Apparently if you are white (or close to it), you have a job, go to church, and own a gun… That translates into racists, privileged, bigot, conspiracy theorist. Too many of us say nothing. Well, freedom of speech isn't just for Liberals, THEY are the ones that need to learn to "co-exist", THEY are the ones who need to WORK to be "equal"

Therefore, in the spirit of freedom (whats left of it) and MY right to operate MY business as I see fit:

Guns ARE allowed at DIESELTEC, so much so in fact that we will offer a discount if you bring in your gun. ("On duty" cops are excluded because thats not their gun, thats my gun bought with my money, off duty absolutely!)

I am a Christian. My company will be run in a way that reflects that. Dishonesty, thievery, immoral behavior, etc. will not be welcomed at MY place of business. (I would not hesitate to refuse service to an openly gay person or persons. Homosexuality is wrong, period. If you want to argue this fact with me then I will put your vehicle together with all bolts and no nuts and you can see how that works.)

We, as a team, work hard for whats ours. We are not protected by unions or contracts. We absolutely MUST provide our customers with a service level that would make them come back or tell their friends about us. We don't have a "right", and we are not "entitled" to our pay. We must EARN it.

I am not racists, you are for assuming I am, however, I am really quick to judge… if it acts like a duck, and quacks like a duck…

It IS a free country and I support your right to your opinion, that being said, if you don't like what I have to say I reserve that same right to tell you to go cry to your momma (cause your daddy would probably smack ya', better yet, yes, go tell your dad.)"

Also current update to the story here: !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!

ACESandEIGHTS > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 04/16/2015 at 13:48

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AMERICA. GODS, GUTS AND GUNS.

DO YOU SEE QUEERS IN THERE?

That letter is so grammatically correct (though not very eloquent) that it appears to be a hoax. Or a drunken rant.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 04/16/2015 at 13:50

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'Murca... or something?

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > ACESandEIGHTS 04/16/2015 at 13:51

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You'd think right?

But nope, hes gone on local news stations and has said the same things there. He has now issued a call for those who support him to secure his home and shop following threats made against him.

Milky > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 04/16/2015 at 13:51

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Sounds right for west michigan.

TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 04/16/2015 at 13:53

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I'm a bisexual male with a great affinity for German Sturmgewehr assault rifles and the Lada Niva, and I will walk in there and make their heads implode.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > Milky 04/16/2015 at 13:53

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For real though.

Watching the city deal with the university I go to is insane. They're stuck in the 1950's, and change is making them uncomfortable.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 04/16/2015 at 13:53

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I hope no one shows up...

ACESandEIGHTS > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 04/16/2015 at 13:54

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Y'ALL WHO THINK HOMESEXHULS ARE RIGHT IN THE EYES OF GOD, WELL, I'LL PUT YER TRUCK BACK TOGETHER WITH ALL BOLTS!

HAR HAR HAR.

WE'LL SEE HOW THAT WORKS. YOU GETTIN' MY MEANIN'?

As Du Volant > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 04/16/2015 at 13:58

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And now someone who agrees with them is going to start a GoFundMe for them, thousands of like-minded individuals will start throwing them money, and by this time next week they'll be half a million dollars richer just like those pizza shop owners in Indiana.

'MURICA!

For Sweden > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 04/16/2015 at 13:58

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A diesel shop taking a stand against thievery and immoral behavior LOL that's rich.

jariten1781 > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 04/16/2015 at 14:04

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I'm wondering how many of these are businesses barely making it by who smell a gofundme/indiegogo pay day. That pizza joint that was in the news a few weeks ago got multiple hundreds of thousands through one of those. It'd be a pretty easy way to get out of some debt and leave the industry.

Milky > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 04/16/2015 at 14:04

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Yea, thats the bible belt for ya.

BobintheMtns > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 04/16/2015 at 14:07

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Rednecks... ugh...

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > For Sweden 04/16/2015 at 14:07

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Rich like their engine tunes.

505Turbeaux > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 04/16/2015 at 14:08

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"If you have an opposing view to mine that IS OK, what is NOT OK is threats to kill me, my family and friends; threats to burn down my shop and my home"

grammar much?

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Milky 04/16/2015 at 14:09

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Sadly, this is true. Had some punks in a brodozer try and stop me from getting to my car because "it's pretty queer for a man". Don't ask why or how, but I had a small purple plastic slinky dick in my glovebox. So guess who drove off with a floppy slinky dong bouncing around off their hitch? Hint: not me. Tee-hee.

nermal > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 04/16/2015 at 14:15

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I don't see what he stands to gain from this. You're a truck shop. You fix trucks. Continue to do so, and leave the preaching out of it.

Running your mouth about how you ain't gonna allow none o' them evil queers in your shop will do nothing more than driving said evil queers to your Yelp page to post pictures of pizzas shaped like weiners. Your Yelp page that is now filled to the brim with pizza-weiners will now drive away normal people who just want some work done on their truck.

Idiot.

CB > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 04/16/2015 at 14:16

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See, the thing is that people don't understand the concept of "my right to swing my arm ends an inch from your face". It's alright to practice your beliefs as long as they don't infringe on the rights of others. Openly stating that you're willing to leave nuts and bolts off any vehicle that an openly gay customer brings in? I can easily see that being lawsuit material, not just due to discrimination, but also breach of contract.

HammerheadFistpunch > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 04/16/2015 at 14:19

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How do I say that I agree with him in the sense that hating on a person for standing up for what they feel is right by those who are in the majority opinion is just as wrong as hating on someone for standing up for what they feel is right against the minority opinion. Interchange minority/majority at your leisure

This whole "lets ruin this guy and his business and or life because he doesn't X or doesn't believe Y" is so SO wrong...no matter what X or Y are or which side of the argument you are on.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 04/16/2015 at 14:19

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Meh, I have no problem with this. I would also have no problem with taking my hypothetical truck elsewhere.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > 505Turbeaux 04/16/2015 at 14:21

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The irony here is that Vonnegut once said that the semicolon is the transvestite hermaphrodite of punctuation.

HammerheadFistpunch > 505Turbeaux 04/16/2015 at 14:22

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Grammar? not so good. He does have a point though, the hating the haters thing...well that actually IS the definition of bigotry.

I'll show you, "bigot", for having intolerance for my believe system! By showering you with intolerance!

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 04/16/2015 at 14:23

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What a fucking idiot.

unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 04/16/2015 at 14:23

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These people don't know the model of business. I have no problem in what you believe in or whom you date, I'm just here to do business and make a customer happy and content with their transaction.

E. Julius > Milky 04/16/2015 at 14:24

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I live pretty much right at the point where "wanna Be gangsters", "State workers", and "Claim to be from Detroit" meet. Guess it makes sense then that nobody in my family has ever done any of those things ; )

Funktheduck > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 04/16/2015 at 14:25

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I may have to stock up on slinky dongs for bro trucks with truck nuts.

Funktheduck > jariten1781 04/16/2015 at 14:26

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I was thinking the same. "I'm getting death threats, who wants to give me money?"

Milky > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 04/16/2015 at 14:28

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Really? Its not even a pink Spark …… I guess I shouldn't be surprised though, a dozen trucks in my high school parking lot had confederate flags. Brodozer driver saying queer sounds pretty normal.

Also whatever you do with your small purple plastic slinky dicks is your business.

MonkeePuzzle > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 04/16/2015 at 14:28

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ok, that's a great line

If you want to argue this fact with me then I will put your vehicle together with all bolts and no nuts and you can see how that works.

Funktheduck > HammerheadFistpunch 04/16/2015 at 14:29

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I agree. I'm really tired of the whole "let's threaten to kill someone because they think differently than me"

Twitter and Facebook are the devil.

DipodomysDeserti > HammerheadFistpunch 04/16/2015 at 14:29

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So would you say that the owners of "white only" establishments in the South during the '60s should have been left alone by sit-in protesters? They were just standing up for their own personal beliefs, even though those beliefs didn't mesh with a large part of American society by that time.

I'm not insinuating that you're a bigot, I'm just trying to fully understand exactly what you're saying.

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > HammerheadFistpunch 04/16/2015 at 14:30

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True, but he's discriminating people just based on how they are born.. And that ain't right in any way. HE CHOSE to do that, he wasn't born a with a hatred towards people not born the same way as him.

Funktheduck > nermal 04/16/2015 at 14:34

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Well, here in the south you're not Christian enough if you're not constantly preaching about how Christian you are and how others are going to hell.

My college has a "free speech zone" that is frequented by extreme baptists that just scream at us about how we're going to hell. I nearly got roped in once. They have confederates in the crowd that try to get you to go up in front of everyone to debate the preacher. In their view the preacher always "wins" because he picks and chooses scripture to counteract all the normal debate points. Come at him with something new? He ignores/changes the subject. Much like conservative tv/radio.

They give a really bad name to normal Christians.

jariten1781 > CB 04/16/2015 at 14:36

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He wasn't threatening to actually do that; it was an analogy about how things don't work without the matching female-male parts. He said right before that he'd just refuse their business. If there's one thing about this guy it's that he seems to have his crazy thoughts in order a lot more than most of these types do.

Funktheduck > TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut 04/16/2015 at 14:37

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LIES! Everyone knows only 110% straight people can like guns. Rush and Hannity said so.

CalzoneGolem > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 04/16/2015 at 14:40

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If someone is openly committing adultery will they be refused service?

If someone is openly not loving their neighbors as themselves will they be refused service?

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > Milky 04/16/2015 at 14:44

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Good to see Fowlertucky made the map.

CB > jariten1781 04/16/2015 at 14:45

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Fair enough, I misread that part. Although that analogy seems to imply that having sex is the most important part of a relationship. Also, does he do not realize that men also have an entrance hole?

I'll agree that he seems to be more coherent than most. I still think he's wrong, but hey.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Milky 04/16/2015 at 14:45

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I appreciate your confidentiality on this matter.

505Turbeaux > HammerheadFistpunch 04/16/2015 at 14:47

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oh yeah it is stupid on both sides. How do you hate more than the hater? Hate some more.

And down the hole you go

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Funktheduck 04/16/2015 at 14:47

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Its the best. But ylthey also worl great for a little game to play with friends where you have to hide the dick somewhere in their house. When they find it, they hide it somewhere else...until someone gets harassed by a brodozer. Then it gets put on the hitch. Not illegal. Not permanent. Just hilarious.

HammerheadFistpunch > unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) 04/16/2015 at 14:50

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I run through these hypotheticals a lot in my head; no, servicing a gay persons truck doesn't run directly in conflict with your moral code, except in the sense that you don't believe in the behavior generally...but...what if your business is directly in line with traditional values? What if as a wedding videographer (once upon a sad time ago I was) I refuse to film a lesbian wedding on moral grounds? I mean, in that sense you are directly enabling a practice that is in conflict with your morals....so where do you go? or what if its a private adoption agency? or a sex shop (though in that case I suspect you don't have a strict moral code on sexuality...but maybe you do) its an interesting thought experiment. Im not saying I have the answers, I don't think anyone does, but its interesting to think about

RallyWrench > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 04/16/2015 at 14:54

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"Apparently if you are white (or close to it), you have a job, go to church, and own a gun… That translates into racists, privileged, bigot, conspiracy theorist..."

*Follows with proof that above statement is absolutely true in his case.

And that poor Oregonian Ford, just trying to maintain its composure.

Funktheduck > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 04/16/2015 at 14:55

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Thought about doing this with a butt plug. Problem is, I'm pretty sure most of my friends would just throw it away

HammerheadFistpunch > DipodomysDeserti 04/16/2015 at 14:58

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This isn't about race and I'm not going to move the debate in that direction. My comment was directed at the false notion that its justifiable to threaten or harass someone just because their believes are unpular, regardless of the popular opinion, personal belief or historical precedent. i.e. you did it to me and so now I will do it to you...um, no, that's not how it works.

HammerheadFistpunch > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 04/16/2015 at 15:00

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I'm not going to get into belief systems, I'm only saying that the term "bigot" was forged specifically for the type of liberals who want to close this guys shop or threaten his life or livelihood because of his belief systems. Sorry, but the door swings both ways and you can't expect tolerance one one hand and dish out intolerance with the other.

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > HammerheadFistpunch 04/16/2015 at 15:03

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I agree with you, I only meant that he can't cry about being a victim of intolerance when he's clearly intolerant himself.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Milky 04/16/2015 at 15:06

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I so often have to emphasize that I live in METRO -Detroit because I support Detroit, but in no way do I live in Detroit.

I ain't no phony.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 04/16/2015 at 15:07

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Right because you know, nuts and bolts go together there for homosexuality is sin.

How had we never looked at it this way before?!?!?!

Anyone else enjoy the irony that he's using "nuts" as an example of the female when we all so frequently use the term nuts with a very different connotation?

HammerheadFistpunch > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 04/16/2015 at 15:11

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Its just the backlash. To be fair, conservatives in this country are increasingly the victim of intolerance and its just nearly as bad as it ever was when the roles were reversed. To be religiously conservative in a country increasingly intolerant of religious conservatism is getting more and more difficult. I can't say that religious conservatives are free from intolerance or especially blame, but tit for tat is hardly the right approach and its depressingly ironic that, now that the roles are reversed, those lessons have been forgotten.

Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 04/16/2015 at 15:14

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He's confusing "Rights," with "special privilege of the ruling class."

He's also confusing "Freedom of speech," with "Freedom from consequences"

He's a shithead and probably a bit paranoid. As I've said before, White Hetero Christian Males are afraid of "others" getting power because of how they've treated literally everyone else in the history of the world.

Also, as a liberal, I can accept anyone on their own terms unless they act like an asshole. Gay people don't choose to be gay. This guy chooses to be a dick and he deserves all the consequences of his speech.

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > HammerheadFistpunch 04/16/2015 at 15:19

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I understand that, and I'll never refuse to help anyone or refuse them service because they are this or that (be it colour, sex, sexuality or religion) But I'd never spend my money at a place like that either, there's a reason there's a couple of places in my hometown I never buy anything at (one is pub run by a racist, another one is a shop run by a VERY religious guy who often speak shit about gay people).

Pixel > CalzoneGolem 04/16/2015 at 15:20

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How about someone wearing blended fabrics?

Or who like eating lobster or shellfish?

If you claim to be such a good Christian, follow all the rules in the book. Go big or go home.

HammerheadFistpunch > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 04/16/2015 at 15:21

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And that's totally fair too. I'm not defending his choices, just his opinion that religious conservatives are getting the same shitty treatment that liberals used to get and now use as their arrow of social justice.

Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh > HammerheadFistpunch 04/16/2015 at 15:24

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Yeah, I understood what you meant quite early on, I just wanted to be sure you understood what I meant :)

HammerheadFistpunch > Laird Andrew Neby Bradleigh 04/16/2015 at 15:26

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I hear ya. There is no reason to patronize a persons business if you dislike them personally for whatever reason.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Funktheduck 04/16/2015 at 15:26

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I have a standard picture of it on my home computer.....I really want to post it but "purple plastic slinky dick" is not something I want on my work search history.

yamahog > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 04/16/2015 at 15:28

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So what I'm hearing is there's about to be a niche market in West Michigan for gay truckers and VW drivers... Any diesel techs out there?

DipodomysDeserti > HammerheadFistpunch 04/16/2015 at 15:42

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So would you consider a sit-in as threatening or harassing? Say the local LGBT community staged a sit-in at this guy's shop. Would you say they were wrong for bothering him based on him having an opinion that is discriminatory towards them?

Keep in mind that while the debate is not about race, many people (a lot of whom were not racists) held a belief similar to yours during the Civil Rights movement of the '60s. MLK was seen as a rabble-rouser by many.

HammerheadFistpunch > DipodomysDeserti 04/16/2015 at 15:48

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I see the chords you are trying to play here, but I'm not interested in being drawn in. I think There is an appropriate time and place for social disobedience, but the vitriol and hate against people like this from people who...in theory...should know better is indefensible.

Funktheduck > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 04/16/2015 at 16:08

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haha

Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis 04/16/2015 at 19:47

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Fun addendum to the story

DipodomysDeserti > HammerheadFistpunch 04/16/2015 at 21:10

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Yes, as I already said, I agree with you that threats of violence are indefensible. Not sure why you won't answer a pretty straight up question I asked. I'm not trying to play any chords, I was just looking for a clarification on what you meant. It seems to me that you don't think discrimination based on sexual orientation is equivalent to discrimination based on race or religion. If that's not true, then clarify it for me.

For the record, I'm not a "liberal". You seem to classify this issue as a "liberal vs conservative" one, and that's simply not the case.

HammerheadFistpunch > DipodomysDeserti 04/16/2015 at 21:14

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The chord you are trying to play is exactly trying to make me form an association between racial and sexual discrimination, which is something I have no interest in because it serves no purpose to the point I am trying to make. There are many great discussions that jump off from here and many really crappy ones too, I prefer to have none at all. Arguing about this kind of stuff on the internet is the equivalent to feces fight, no matter who "wins" we all still end up covered in shit.

DipodomysDeserti > HammerheadFistpunch 04/16/2015 at 21:31

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I wasn't trying to argue anything, I just wanted you to clarify your position which you obviously don't want to.

I'm in the boat that you can't tell someone what to think or they believe. If you believe something, then fine, that's what you believe. It's ignorant to try to argue with someone about what they believe, as you can't tell someone else what they believe. If you don't want to clarify your stance on the matter, then that's alright.

From what you've written I'm under the impression that you don't think discrimination based on sexual orientation is equivalent to discrimination based on race or religion. Sorry if I seemed pushy, but what you've done is one of my pet peeves. I hate how wishy washy our society has become. I disagree strongly with the beliefs held by this diesel shop owner, but at least he owns what he believes. There's no dishonesty. It's the dishonest political double speak that really irks me. If you're going to take a stance on something, then be honest and own up to it.

HammerheadFistpunch > DipodomysDeserti 04/16/2015 at 21:39

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My stand is that this issue is not for internet discussion, but you are mistaken if you associate that with me not having a stand on the issue. You are also mistaken in making assumptions about my beliefs. I don't disagree that you should be able to have a stance and to stand by, I agree very much with that fact actually...however...I also strongly believe that these discussions aren't meant for the internet; too many variables removed that ensure a reasonable conversation will take place. So many of these threads start with "I'm not trying to argue" but its actually what it is. If you and I were to meet and we could sit down and talk about it in person I would happily give you my 2 cents on the matter but I refuse to be drawn into any discussion online about this.

Is it poor of me to only argue one isolated point? maybe. That's all I will commit to, even on oppo.

DipodomysDeserti > HammerheadFistpunch 04/16/2015 at 21:55

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Oh no, you've made it blatantly clear that you have a stand. My pet peeve is when people pussyfoot around their stands rather than owning them. It leads to a dishonest conversation. There's really no reason to discuss what you believe, I just wanted you to state what you believe in no uncertain terms.